The FUT 17 IF Trading Thread

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shamheff1989
2438 posts Fans' Favourite
edited September 2016
Welcome to The IF Trading Thread for Ultimate Team 17!

How does this method work?
It mainly involves bulk-buying of a certain IF and listing at a higher price in order to catch lazy buyers, players who don’t understand the market and, in general, those who do not search for lowest prices for players. It works through filling a minimum of one page on the market with your higher-priced cards. This is not a price-fix. Numerous other, lower-priced, cards will be available.

How do I take part?
It’s quite simple. Identify a player in the current TOTW that you feel will be a popular seller. Look for things like popular leagues or nations, position changes, lower-rated cards with high stats or anything else that you think will be attractive to buyers. Buy a number of this card - the more, the better - and list for a higher price. Aim to fill at least one page of the market. List all of you cards for an hour and relist every hour. If you wish, relist for six or twelve hours overnight but this is not essential. Once you sell a card, reinvest in another of the same player until you are happy to move on from him. Take pictures of any sales and post in this thread to keep up the morale and give others ideas. This is not the place for secretive investments. This method works best when there are numerous people doing it as there will be more cards at our higher prices on the market.

How much should I have before starting?
I would recommend at least 100k - enough to buy a full page of a lower-priced IFs. Start small, with small profits, and work your way up to the big money. Don’t spread yourself too thin. Focus on one player and make some money on him, then diversify to two, three and so on. The good thing is this method is transferrable. If you don’t have 100k, start with popular non-IFs and use the same principle this operates on until you reach 100k.

Are there any things I should look out for?
Bear in mind that some factors help cards sell quicker than others. At the beginning, things like 99 contracts, Hunter/Shadow chemistry styles or position changes are desirable. As cards go out of packs and become rarer, fresh cards are the big sellers. Always buy fresh when you are stocking up, where possible, as they prove to be the best sellers.

What price should I list my cards for?
Two years ago, we tried to stick to standard prices for players. It didn’t work. Impatient forumers got anxious and started undercutting. Last year, each worked to their own prices. Personally, I generally aim for 50% profit on what I paid. For example, if I buy 10 cards at 10k each, I will list them for between 15000 and 16500 each. This would average at about 15k per card after tax (not exactly!), giving me 5k profit per card. It’s always a good idea to vary your prices slightly as some people will avoid buying a card when they see 13 or 14 at the same price in a row. Change the BIN slightly for each card. Keep your margins in line with the price you paid, and always bear tax in mind. Don't list a card you bought for 100k for 105k. By doing so, you'll actually be losing 250 coins each sale. Go for 120-125k. This will give a profit of 15k on average. Change your figures to suit the prices of cards you are dealing with.

What if my card doesn’t sell?
If you post regularly, you’ll see me and others post regularly about patience. Along with luck, it’s the most important factor. Every IF, no matter how undesirable, rises eventually. Give it a month or two and prices will naturally rise to near your higher price. If you bought all fresh, that’ll make up the extra few thousand to make your card’s once inflated price now become its actual worth.

Is this method for me?
It all boils down to a few factors. If you are patient and can put up with having large amounts of coins tied up in your transfer pile for extended periods, it’s a great, low-effort way to make lots of coins! If you can’t hack that, you’re better off doing something else. Similarly, if you don’t think you can face hitting relist every hour, or not selling a card for a week and a half, you’re best off finding another method.

Does this method work?
Undoubtedly! I spent way too much money in FPs in 13 and 14. Come 15, I resolved to learn a trading method to cut my spending. I found IF trading and haven’t looked back since! Over the last two years, I’ve made millions, and can post pictures of my final clubs from those games to prove this is a brilliant way to make coins. Admittedly, I did spend about €150 each release day, and will do so again this year, in order to get a decent head start but this is not necessary. Coin boosts, playing games, other trading methods and tournament wins will soon get you the 100-or-so thousand you need to start this!

A Quick Example
This was my first sale this year. I bought a few IF Forsberg for 10.5-11k. He's an IF from the Bundesliga (a popular league), is Swedish (allows for hybrids to Ibra), is a Week 1 IF (rarer than others due to the lack of packs opened on the web app) and is close to discard. At this stage of the year, I'll take any profits so I listed them for around 13.5-14.5k and this sold. I immediately bought another one. As time goes on, I'll pick up a few more and gradually raise my prices as more coins come into the game. All the 2-3k profits add up over the course of the year, and you'll obviously be able to afford more expensive cards as the year goes on, which in turn yield higher profits.

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I think I’ve covered all the basics here. Anything I forgot let me know and I’ll add it! Go easy on me though - this is my first guide after all! :lol:

To those who are new to this method, please feel free to ask questions. There are loads of us here who are happy to help. The only things that won’t be tolerated/won’t get a decent response are posts moaning about how this method is crap, posts complaining that none of your cards are selling, posts which ask the same question repeatedly or ignore answers that aren’t what the poster wants to hear and any others of this ilk. We’ve seen it all before and, in the end, the ones who help each other out and do things right are the winners in the end. To the old hands, hope this year is as fruitful as previous years, and the very best of luck to everyone!

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Comments

  • Jason1986
    6918 posts Big Money Move
    Made my first million last season using this method. Can definitely vouch for it and will be posting here regularly, once I've gotten myself a bit of capital.
  • RassemArsenal
    116 posts Has Potential To Be Special
    Haven't seen one yet this year. Is anyone interested? Can change this post and make things more official if there's an uptake.

    Personally can vouch for the method. Made millions last year from it. Can be slow going at times and there may be periods where you have to go without large amounts of coin but as low-effort trading methods go it's one of the best.

    First sale this year. About 2k profit but 2k is 2k at this stage!

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    did u get him as a bid or buy now for 10.500?
  • MR_AMAZiNG
    410 posts Sunday League Hero
    edited September 2016
    Very much interested, the IF Trading Method is normally my big money maker. Looks like quite a few good options for this week, Glik especially.
  • shamheff1989
    2438 posts Fans' Favourite
    Haven't seen one yet this year. Is anyone interested? Can change this post and make things more official if there's an uptake.

    Personally can vouch for the method. Made millions last year from it. Can be slow going at times and there may be periods where you have to go without large amounts of coin but as low-effort trading methods go it's one of the best.

    First sale this year. About 2k profit but 2k is 2k at this stage!

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    did u get him as a bid or buy now for 10.500?

    Picked up a few this morning for between 10.5k and 11k. I made most of my money last year from pure discards, with the odd bigger investment. Made a killing on TIF Jonas when the upgrade hype was at its highest. Won't be as many pure discards this year though due to the big upgrades EA are giving IFs so far.
  • shamheff1989
    2438 posts Fans' Favourite
    Good to see the interest so far. The more the better! Will get a proper OP up ASAP.
  • Sandell85
    7527 posts League Winner
    didnt @Blue_Saints do a discard IF trading guide?
  • miri
    2749 posts Fans' Favourite
    Will def be using this method this year also. Great success with it last season and the one before.
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    Sandell85 wrote: »
    didnt @Blue_Saints do a discard IF trading guide?

    I did yeah, it's slightly different from the IF trading method though
  • hayhor1
    14219 posts Has That Special Something
    edited September 2016
    I plan to do the if method from last year.
  • shamheff1989
    2438 posts Fans' Favourite
    Sandell85 wrote: »
    didnt @Blue_Saints do a discard IF trading guide?

    I did yeah, it's slightly different from the IF trading method though

    Your's was more along the lines of waiting for natural rises in price wasn't it?
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    http://fifaforums.easports.com/en/discussion/164118/blue-saints-discard-if-trading-guide#latest
    here it is if anyone's interested, I haven't had a chance to update it for 17 though
  • Sandell85
    7527 posts League Winner
    Sandell85 wrote: »
    didnt @Blue_Saints do a discard IF trading guide?

    I did yeah, it's slightly different from the IF trading method though

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  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    Sandell85 wrote: »
    didnt @Blue_Saints do a discard IF trading guide?

    I did yeah, it's slightly different from the IF trading method though

    Your's was more along the lines of waiting for natural rises in price wasn't it?

    not necessarily, I'd say the biggest difference is that I focus more on a lot of small profits rather than a few large ones
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    Sandell85 wrote: »
    Sandell85 wrote: »
    didnt @Blue_Saints do a discard IF trading guide?

    I did yeah, it's slightly different from the IF trading method though

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    <3
  • GiveMeKoke
    1530 posts Play-Off Hero
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away
  • CeeQue
    10627 posts Has That Special Something
    Will be at it again this year 1st week IF's made me 1 Mil by the end of the 1st month
  • hayhor1
    14219 posts Has That Special Something
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away
    CeeQue wrote: »
    Will be at it again this year 1st week IF's made me 1 Mil by the end of the 1st month

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm
  • LouXC
    801 posts An Exciting Prospect
    MR_AMAZiNG wrote: »
    Very much interested, the IF Trading Method is normally my big money maker. Looks like quite a few good options for this week, Glik especially.

    Might grab Glik if he's low enough. I went with Luis and Castro from this weeks IF.

  • shamheff1989
    2438 posts Fans' Favourite
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.
  • LouXC
    801 posts An Exciting Prospect
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.

    Yup, I'm in no rush. Stacking up and having millions at the end of the game is always about patients.
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    LouXC wrote: »
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.

    Yup, I'm in no rush. Stacking up and having millions at the end of the game is always about patients.

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  • randomhero1090
    5627 posts Big Money Move
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.

    I like this method. I am not as die hard as some of you, but you can make coins pretty easy with it.

    Quick question to the pros: I packed IF Promes and IF Bott.

    1) Anyone got an idea where Promes may land?
    2) Any point of holding Bott? I haven't seen him sell for above 10,250.
  • GiveMeKoke
    1530 posts Play-Off Hero
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    sorry guys, for clarity sake, I meant TOTW2, not TOTW1.
  • LouXC
    801 posts An Exciting Prospect
    edited September 2016
    LouXC wrote: »
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.

    Yup, I'm in no rush. Stacking up and having millions at the end of the game is always about patients.

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    You guys are ruthless man lol. Only this totw if they're close to discard.
  • shamheff1989
    2438 posts Fans' Favourite
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    sorry guys, for clarity sake, I meant TOTW2, not TOTW1.

    Now this I agree with. Spent a load on Carrasso from last year during TOTW2. Made good money on him eventually but missed out on other good investments cos I overbought him. My biggest mistake was restocking on him too often. There's just so many packs opened on release weekend the market gets flooded. Again though, great if you have patience as cards can be bought very cheaply and I made a sizeable profit on him eventually. Took up til Christmas to clear him though.
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    LouXC wrote: »
    LouXC wrote: »
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.

    Yup, I'm in no rush. Stacking up and having millions at the end of the game is always about patients.

    Family%20Consumer%20Pic.jpg
    You guys are ruthless man lol. Only this totw if they're close to discard.

    haha sorry mate I just had to
  • Bob_Dylan
    19224 posts World Class
    here's an invesment tip for you lads
    as soon as I'll get the coins I'll be looking to buy a fresh IF Forsberg, IF Vassiljev and IF Milner so if these are hard to find fresh (no idea since I don't have the game nor access to the webapp) then it might be worth it to pick these up
  • Argra2k16
    25 posts Last Pick at the Park
    I'm in on this year again aswell guys made over 4mil using this method alone plus the discard if one.
  • bollard80
    1037 posts Professional
    edited September 2016
    I'm using bryan ruiz you can pick him up for 10.5k bought 5 gonna buy 8 more and see how I go
  • hayhor1
    14219 posts Has That Special Something
    LouXC wrote: »
    LouXC wrote: »
    GiveMeKoke wrote: »
    Just to say, I wouldn't say IF trading is a good idea for the first week IFs imo.. would personally just do NIF trading for the first week due to most players looking to buy NIFs, not IFs straight away

    If you're after quick profits, I agree. However, if you have enough coin to afford holding a few Week 1 IFs for an extended period, they all rise a good bit eventually. Depends what you're after really.

    Yup, I'm in no rush. Stacking up and having millions at the end of the game is always about patients.

    Family%20Consumer%20Pic.jpg
    You guys are ruthless man lol. Only this totw if they're close to discard.

    haha sorry mate I just had to

    I was going to do it but your beat me to it. All in good fun!
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