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  • SDoofus
    6063 posts Big Money Move
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.
  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    Not saying he’s anywhere near top 10 never mind top 3 but funny to see people still think Hendo is awful cause he was 2 years ago.
  • arsenalap
    6053 posts Big Money Move
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Matip has been very good for you, but he isnt a top 5 CB for me.

    Front 3 are top 5. Top 3 would be debatable, except Salah who is top 3 probably.
  • SDoofus
    6063 posts Big Money Move
    Klopp - best.
  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    I dunno what LW has been better than Mane this season.
  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    Speaking of Mane. Brazil drew 1-1 with Senegal the other night with Firmino opening the scoring and Mane winning a pen which some young ST converted. (Was his dream to score vs Brazil or something hence Sadio let him take it)

    Plus Mane prob would have missed let’s be honest
  • SDoofus
    6063 posts Big Money Move
    edited October 11
    I dunno what LW has been better than Mane this season.

    Tbh I grouped LW and RW together. For me, the top 3 are Mane, Hazard and Salah.

    Sterling instead of Hazard, if he carries on being rubbish.
  • arsenalap
    6053 posts Big Money Move
    I dunno what LW has been better than Mane this season.

    This season yep agree. But best in the world is based on a few seasons really. I mean Mane is up there so it's a fair arguement hes top 3.

    Hazard
    Neymar
    Sterling

    Are the close ones. Neymar has arguably been better this season, hes winning games on his own.
  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    edited October 11
    arsenalap wrote: »
    I dunno what LW has been better than Mane this season.

    This season yep agree. But best in the world is based on a few seasons really. I mean Mane is up there so it's a fair arguement hes top 3.

    Hazard
    Neymar
    Sterling

    Are the close ones. Neymar has arguably been better this season, hes winning games on his own.

    Ahh fairs thought we were talking about form RN. First 2 definitely ahead and Neymar has been in great form I acc forgot about him. Sterling and Mane would be very close to me, Sterling scored more in 2017/18 but Mane had more last season. Guess that’s a toss up of your personal preference
  • arsenalap
    6053 posts Big Money Move
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.
  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.

    Aww yea he’s still a better player but Ligue 1 is properly awful atm. Even the ‘big’ clubs like Lyon, Marseille and Monaco are grim atm
  • arsenalap
    6053 posts Big Money Move
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.

    Aww yea he’s still a better player but Ligue 1 is properly awful atm. Even the ‘big’ clubs like Lyon, Marseille and Monaco are grim atm

    Ye true, but he has done it on every stage. Barca, Brazil, CL.
  • TakeItSlow
    7882 posts League Winner
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)
  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Not how football works unfortunately
  • TakeItSlow
    7882 posts League Winner
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Not how football works unfortunately

    Best everything in each position, if you don't thats horrific.
  • ChrisLFC
    7153 posts Big Money Move
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Not how football works unfortunately

    Best everything in each position, if you don't thats horrific.

    Well we just won the CL so it checks out.
  • TakeItSlow
    7882 posts League Winner
    ChrisLFC wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Not how football works unfortunately

    Best everything in each position, if you don't thats horrific.

    Well we just won the CL so it checks out.

    "should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then"

    "Well we just won the CL so it checks out"

    Urm. :/
  • tilen11
    5531 posts Big Money Move
    edited October 11
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.

    Neymar is great but since he plays in a farmers league (literally), I just dont rate his performances. He should seek a club in a more difficult league but money talks.

    The only team that was problematic for them was Monaco when they had all their best players and were playing amazing football, Lyon under Genesio was good and thats it. Monaco fell apart, Genesio left Lyon and now they are more or less mediocre. Everything else are below average teams that dont represent a challenge to PSG.

    Mane is also main man in his national team (its not Brazil good but its not his fault he is Senegalese), has been great in CL and PL. Atm he is top 3 without a doubt.
  • ChrisLFC
    7153 posts Big Money Move
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    ChrisLFC wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Not how football works unfortunately

    Best everything in each position, if you don't thats horrific.

    Well we just won the CL so it checks out.

    "should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then"

    "Well we just won the CL so it checks out"

    Urm. :/

    We currently have top 5 players in most positions. We are currently European champions.

    What is so hard to understand about my comment? :lol:
  • SDoofus
    6063 posts Big Money Move
    edited October 11
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Are you living in a cave or something? We just won the CL and got 97 points in the PL, and now we are currently dominating the PL, so it all checks out so far. Remains to be seen what happens over the next 2-3 years, but as of right now, I don't think many will argue that we aren't currently a top 3 team in the world and probably joint best team in England.
  • arsenalap
    6053 posts Big Money Move
    tilen11 wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.

    Neymar is great but since he plays in a farmers league (literally), I just dont rate his performances. The only team that was problematic for them was Monaco when they had all their best players and were playing amazing football, Lyon under Genesio was good and thats it. Monaco fell apart, Genesio left Lyon and now they are more or less mediocre. Everything else are below average teams that dont represent a challenge to PSG.

    As I said, he has done it on every stage he has been asked to. Barca, Santos, PSG, Brazil.

    His talent is above the excuse of PSG being a farmers league. He has 102 goals/assists in 100 games for Brazil, it's ridiculous.

    PSG have won 3 games 1-0 this season, of which he was the match winner in each.

    He won't ever he the best player because of where he plays unless he wins a CL, but he is still a top top player.
  • SDoofus
    6063 posts Big Money Move
    Tbh, I forgot about Neymar. I also forgot about Mbappe, ffs. It's really hard to come up with a solid top 5 wide forwards list (excluding the aliens), but I'm gonna say, in no order:

    Mane
    Salah
    Sterling
    Mbappe
    Neymar

    Hazard misses out for me, as he seems to have fallen off a cliff.
  • Pxul_
    8217 posts League Winner
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Pxul_ wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    In real life terms, I reckon we have

    Top 3 GK
    Best LB
    Top 3 RB
    Best CB.

    Crazy.

    Add best DM in there aswell

    What are you classing Kante as?

    He’s playing in a central midfield role at the moment, if he was playing in a DM role it’d be closer between him and fab :)
  • tilen11
    5531 posts Big Money Move
    arsenalap wrote: »
    tilen11 wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.

    Neymar is great but since he plays in a farmers league (literally), I just dont rate his performances. The only team that was problematic for them was Monaco when they had all their best players and were playing amazing football, Lyon under Genesio was good and thats it. Monaco fell apart, Genesio left Lyon and now they are more or less mediocre. Everything else are below average teams that dont represent a challenge to PSG.

    As I said, he has done it on every stage he has been asked to. Barca, Santos, PSG, Brazil.

    His talent is above the excuse of PSG being a farmers league. He has 102 goals/assists in 100 games for Brazil, it's ridiculous.

    PSG have won 3 games 1-0 this season, of which he was the match winner in each.

    He won't ever he the best player because of where he plays unless he wins a CL, but he is still a top top player.

    Edited my comment before. Mentioned in it that Mane has done the same. He delivered in Salzburg, Soton, Pool. Premier League, Champions league.. Has contributed 32 times in 67 appearances for Senegal. Neymar is a top tier player, that was/is clear but atm Mane is god tier.
  • arsenalap
    6053 posts Big Money Move
    edited October 11
    tilen11 wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    tilen11 wrote: »
    arsenalap wrote: »
    Even if you hate Neymar, the guy got more goals/assists last year than Mane in almost half the number of games.

    Honestly think its just such a waste for him.

    Neymar is great but since he plays in a farmers league (literally), I just dont rate his performances. The only team that was problematic for them was Monaco when they had all their best players and were playing amazing football, Lyon under Genesio was good and thats it. Monaco fell apart, Genesio left Lyon and now they are more or less mediocre. Everything else are below average teams that dont represent a challenge to PSG.

    As I said, he has done it on every stage he has been asked to. Barca, Santos, PSG, Brazil.

    His talent is above the excuse of PSG being a farmers league. He has 102 goals/assists in 100 games for Brazil, it's ridiculous.

    PSG have won 3 games 1-0 this season, of which he was the match winner in each.

    He won't ever he the best player because of where he plays unless he wins a CL, but he is still a top top player.

    Edited my comment before. Mentioned in it that Mane has done the same. He delivered in Salzburg, Soton, Pool. Premier League, Champions league.. Has contributed 32 times in 67 appearances for Senegal. Neymar is a top tier player, that was/is clear but atm Mane is god tier.

    Not sure how you can compare Mane at Southampton vs Neymar at Barca.

    Neymar, 118 G/A in 123 games.
    Mane, 39 G/A in 75 games.

    I'm not sure how you can compare their CL returns either.

    Neymar has 55 goals/assists in 53 games in the CL.
    Mane has 19 in 26.

    Mane's is obviously still a very respectful number, but Neymar is in a different league.

    Same story with national team, different leagues.

    Neymar, 102 G/A in 100 games.
    Mane, 32 G/A in 67.

    This is no slight on Mane, he has fantastic stats in general and is a great player. But, how you can't rate Neymars performances and say Mane is god tier compared to him is beyond me.



  • LFC Simon 98
    18154 posts World Class
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    TakeItSlow wrote: »
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Alisson - top 3
    Robbo - best
    TAA - top 3
    VVD - best
    Matip - top 5
    Fabinho - top 3
    Firmino - top 3
    Salah - top 3
    Mane - top 3

    Excluding the aliens, Messi and Ronaldo.

    Should be dominating and winning the league for years to come then :)

    Not how football works unfortunately

    Best everything in each position, if you don't thats horrific.

    Top 3 isn’t best. City have a better squad even with more high quality players.

    The Real Madrid team has been stacked with world class players for years but they rarely win the league (1/2 in free last 10 iirc)
  • TakeItSlow
    7882 posts League Winner
    SDoofus wrote: »
    Since Pep and Klopp's first summer transfer window at City and Liverpool, this has been their spends:

    Pep
    Total spend: £699.83 million
    Net spend: £475 million

    Klopp
    Total spend: £401.09 million
    Net spend: £74.8 million

    That's almost incomprehensibly insane. Our total spend is less than City's net spend, ffs. And the idea that Klopp has transformed our 2015/16 team into this current Liverpool team with only £74.8 million net spend is beyond belief.

    Net spend is a weird one, if you look at United's spend since Fergie left its astronomical and they've failed miserably.

    Liverpools spending has been sensational, you don't have to spend a lot of money to go places. You need a top manager who has a style, once you have that he can pick and choose what players he NEEDS, not wants, NEEDS. To suit said managers system.

    Pep has spent but again he's spent on the correct players that suit his system. Both Liverpool and City have spent a lot of money on players but on the correct players, they now rarely sign a player who is a flop.
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