Mix and Match Kit / Changing Sleeve Badge And Shirts Fonts

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comet213
2340 posts Fans' Favourite
edited May 2016
★To clever and great busybodies
Thank you for your advices.
ex)Do people really care this much about these things in a game?
ex)Gameplay is more important!

But don't worry. Gameplay Devs are always doing thier work.
And These "Little things" in this thread is another devs work.
So don't waste your time.
Thank you.
  1. Mix and Match Kit

    Madden NFL 15. Please see 00:01:00.

    Pro Evolution Soccer 5

    I wish EA add mix and match kit feature.
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    We shaw wearing another color shorts in many football matches.
    Madden series already have this feature.
    In PC version, modders are making many another shorts version kits.
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  2. Sleeve Badge
    In football jersey sleeves, there are badges of competition.
    These badges are changed by competitions.
    But EA doesn't reflect change of badge.
    Although Championship team promote to BPL. They still attatch championship badge and fonts.
    Sleeve Badge and Captain Armband
    FA Cup
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    Capital One Cup
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    Carling_Cup_Captain_Armband.jpg
    Coppa Italia Sleeve Badge
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    Coupe De La Ligue Sleeve Badge
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    So I want redesign of kit structure.
    Current kit structure is old.
    Badges are fixed with kit texture. :(
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    Sleeve Badge is changed in each competition.
    Fixing sleeve badge in jersey is very inefficient system. :(

    I don't think this is problem of license.
    EA released UCL 06-07 in the past.
    In this game, Only 32 qualified teams had champions league badge. Other teams attached thier league badge.
    But In PES, Every team can attach champions league badge.

    No Change of sleeve badge is simply EA's laziness.

    And These are reasons why sleeve badge must be separated.

    a. Champions Badge
    In FIFA 15, BPL champions badge is attached to Man city jersey in 15-16 season , 16-17, 17-18....
    This is anothet reason why sleeve badge must be separated with kit texture.
    Separate sleeve patch and give champions badge to winner.
    • World Cup / Club World Cup Badge
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      2015-Club-World-Cup-Gold-Soccer-Patch-Champions-TM-Soccer-Badges-Football-Champion-Armband.jpg

      These are fixed with kit texture in FIFA Games.
      Fixed badge is meaningless in Career mode.
      These must be moved to champions.
    • Scudetto and Coccarda
      doppietta.jpg
      These are fixed with kit texture in FIFA Games.
      Fixed Scudetto and Coccarda are meaningless in Career mode.
      These must be moved to champions.
    • Ligue 1
      Championnat-de-France-de-font-b-football-b-font-Ligue-1-Paris-st-germain-Soccer-Patch.jpg
      official-french-ligue-1-champion-2010-marseille-blue-footballidstore-1306-17-FootballiDstore@37.jpg
      official-french-ligue-1-champion-2012-montpellier-hsc-footballidstore-1306-17-FootballiDstore@40.jpg
    • Premier League
      2016-17-premier-league-sleeve-patch-2.jpg

    b. For Better Quality
    Club emblem is already separated from jersey texture. As a result, club emblem could be cleared.
    But sleeve badge is not separated.
    As a result, sleeve badge is not clear than emblem.
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    c. For Solve Betting Sponser Problem
    This is FL Championship badge in FIFA.
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    Real one
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    EA using incorrect badge. Why? Because It's betting sponsor.
    Some nations forbid betting sponsor.
    EA dev have made another kit for teams that having betting sponsor. (ex.Bwin in Real madrid, AC Milan....)
    They were few number. Therefore EA can make another kit that removed betting sponser.
    But FL championship,league one,league two are 72 teams(and home.away,gk kits).
    Really Many teams have betting sponsor. I guess Devs were annoying. :D
    so They switched to similar sponsor(SKY BET→ SKY sports).

    Separated badge can solve this problem. IF They only make two badge(SKY BET and Sky sports), It's done. Very comportable.
    Therefore EA should separate sleeve badge from jersey texture.
  3. Shirts Fonts when Promote and relegate
    This is an extension of Sleeve badge Problem
    BPL and FL championship are using different number fonts
    But When promote or relegate, Shirts font is not changed in Current FIFA.
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    english-championship.jpg

    Team font and League font Suggestion
    First, Give specific font(Generic font or reallife font) to every teams.
    And If There is specific league font like BPL, Ligue 1, Use league font in league match.
    Otherwise, Use team font.
    Example1) Bournemouth(FL championship --> BPL)
    Team font = Generic font
    League font(BPL, FL Championship) = O
    League match: Use League font
    Cup match(FA Cup, League cup, European competition): Use Team font

    Example2) Barcelona(Liga BBVA)
    Team font = reallife font
    League font (Liga BBVA) = X
    League match: Use team font
    Cup match: Use team font

    Example3) Arsenal(BPL)
    Team font = European competition font
    League font (BPL) = O
    League match: Use league font
    Cup match: Use team font

    Team font example
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    Lyonnais_2014-15-FontUEFA.png
    Everton_EURO-2014-15-FNT.png
    Arsenal+UCL+CHampions+league+Puma+font+vector+2014+2015.jpg
    PSG_2014-15-UEFA-CL-FNT.png

    League font example
    Premier%2BLeague%2Bfont.png
    english-championship.jpg
    ligue1.jpg
  4. European Competition Lettering
    Some teams write name under the numbers. (ex. Bayern Munich)
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    But name lettering must be wrtten above the numbers in european competition.
    This is UEFA regulation.
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@Rob
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Comments

  • Aronedu
    38 posts Last Pick at the Park
    I would like to have the whole kit featured and not simply the shirt, and yeah its a neat feature to shuffle the kits around like that.
  • njcw98
    5 posts Ball Boy
    Really great idea, would love to see it implemented
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited April 2015
    Console Generation is changed But EA still use last-last gen kit structure.
    EA must remade kit structure.
  • Eddie
    736 posts Semi-Pro
    edited April 2015
    You used to be able to do this on FIFA years ago. Another feature they needlessly removed.
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    Eddie wrote: »
    You used to be able to do this on FIFA years ago. Another feature they needlessly removed.
    When? EA have not added this feature.
  • Eddie
    736 posts Semi-Pro
    comet213 wrote: »
    Eddie wrote: »
    You used to be able to do this on FIFA years ago. Another feature they needlessly removed.
    When? EA have not added this feature.

    They had it years ago on the ps2...I'd be guessing what year but it was the year the game froze for a second when the ball crossed the line for a goal, Beckham played for Real.

    You could change shorts separately from the shirt, 100%.
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited April 2015
    @Eddie Anyway, this feature is not current FIFA.
    I don't know why are Dev think that this is needless.
    Are Dev really seeing real football match?
    Post edited by comet213 on
  • Scoot
    267 posts Sunday League Hero
    I'm guessing kits are licensed as a whole? Just a generic guess..
  • Orikoru
    10712 posts Has That Special Something
    I really agree with this topic (which is rare for me and Comet's topics, usually I find them pedantic :tongue: ). When you have a team with white/blue/white home and blue away, and another team with blue/white/blue kit and white away, it would be really helpful to just be able to have them all white v all blue. (If that made any sense.)
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    Scoot wrote: »
    I'm guessing kits are licensed as a whole? Just a generic guess..
    I don't want believe it.... :(
    If It is true, they are really rigid..
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited April 2015
    Orikoru wrote: »
    I really agree with this topic (which is rare for me and Comet's topics, usually I find them pedantic :tongue: ). When you have a team with white/blue/white home and blue away, and another team with blue/white/blue kit and white away, it would be really helpful to just be able to have them all white v all blue. (If that made any sense.)

    @Orikoru Uh... Thank you. and... where is pedantic topic?
  • RedDevil
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    comet213 wrote: »
    Scoot wrote: »
    I'm guessing kits are licensed as a whole? Just a generic guess..
    I don't want believe it.... :(
    If It is true, they are really rigid..

    Nonsense, if you can do it in Madden licenses have nothing to do with it! EA being lazy sounds more likely...
  • Eddie
    736 posts Semi-Pro
    Too many people leap to EA's defence without knowing what they're talking about on here. They've had the feature in the game previously, it's in other EA games so I doubt it's a licensing issue.

    Not only that but I doubt the clubs or PL will kick up a fuss because a fifa gamer has selected the away shorts to go with the home shirt ON HIS OWN GAME, AT HOME! They wouldn't even know about it!

    The idea this would even be a licensing issue makes me laugh. It's laziness, pure and simple.
  • slickus
    2763 posts Fans' Favourite
    Full kit editor please
  • VJones25
    1733 posts Play-Off Hero
    Eddie wrote: »
    Too many people leap to EA's defence without knowing what they're talking about on here. They've had the feature in the game previously, it's in other EA games so I doubt it's a licensing issue.

    Not only that but I doubt the clubs or PL will kick up a fuss because a fifa gamer has selected the away shorts to go with the home shirt ON HIS OWN GAME, AT HOME! They wouldn't even know about it!

    The idea this would even be a licensing issue makes me laugh. It's laziness, pure and simple.

    Couldn't have said it any better, they've had it in previous Fifa's before and as you said other EA game products. Really pisses me off as Arsenal always play in red socks when facing Chelsea at the bridge and Chelsea always in full blue when coming to the Emirates. Just pure laziness, it's the minor details that make the game realistic.
  • Alastair
    10217 posts Moderator
    I personally think it is licensing for several reasons, including:
    • Madden is a single license whereas FIFA has loads (each league individually - and each club individually in some cases) - so you can't use the lazy excuse
    • The kit manufactures are very specific about what you can wear with what when you try and buy complete kits for a team online (as in bulk buying a lot of kits).
    • The fact that the league badge doesn't change as well suggests the kits our licensed as they are and not with any changes.
  • RedDevil
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    Alastair wrote: »
    I personally think it is licensing for several reasons, including:
    • Madden is a single license whereas FIFA has loads (each league individually - and each club individually in some cases) - so you can't use the lazy excuse
    • The kit manufactures are very specific about what you can wear with what when you try and buy complete kits for a team online (as in bulk buying a lot of kits).
    • The fact that the league badge doesn't change as well suggests the kits our licensed as they are and not with any changes.

    Or that EA still have a 10 year old kit coding that has the logos and badges stuck to the kit, rather than being separate from it..

  • Eddie
    736 posts Semi-Pro
    Alastair wrote: »
    I personally think it is licensing for several reasons, including:
    • Madden is a single license whereas FIFA has loads (each league individually - and each club individually in some cases) - so you can't use the lazy excuse
    • The kit manufactures are very specific about what you can wear with what when you try and buy complete kits for a team online (as in bulk buying a lot of kits).
    • The fact that the league badge doesn't change as well suggests the kits our licensed as they are and not with any changes.

    I think it's fair to use the lazy excuse, the game is riddled with inaccuracies which can't be explained by anything but devs not doing anything but the minimum required. That's how I feel as a customer, I don't have a vendetta against EA but when I see the lack of pride in what they've produced in many areas of the game it leads me to think they're not interested in anything but £.

    Stadiums are a perfect example. They have the licences but many are inaccurate, that's down to laziness. I could excuse the odd mistake but as I say, the game is riddled.

    As mentioned the option for kit change is to benefit individual gamers, in their home, on theirconsole, on their game. Why would nike care if johnny from Mansfield has selected Utd's home shirt and Utd's away shorts? Would they throw him in the back of a van if they drove past and seen him wearing a mixed kit? No because they don't care.

    The badge thing I could understand to a point but, again, I'm sure the clubs and the PL realise it's a game that's essentially fantasy football in the sense existing PL teams could be relegated on the game and become championship teams. It doesn't effect ANY aspect of real life, it's a game. So what's the harm in allowing EA to change the arm badge when a team is promoted? If a PL employee drove past johnny and seen him wearing a Mansfield shirt with a PL badge on his arm are they going to take the shirt off him? No because they don't care.

    My guess with the PL patches and numbers is that EA haven't bothered to ask because they generally don't have a clue what their non UT customers want. I don't think they care either.
  • RedDevil
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited April 2015
    Let me just point this out, when I play in the Champions League in PES with any team that isn't officially in the Champions League in real life, that team gets the badges on their sleeves, so when I play Champions League matches with Man Utd they have the official Champions League badges on their sleeves, as the badges are assigned to the competition, not stuck on the teams kits by default.

    So if Konami can do it, EA can.. It has nothing to do with licenses, but laziness!

    At this point in time I have absolutely no interest in what new features Fifa 16 has unless they've addressed all these long, outstanding issues that have been reported on these forums recently, in great, detailed, well posted threads!
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    Do I post about badge in this thread?
  • Eddie
    736 posts Semi-Pro
    RedDevil wrote: »
    Let me just point this out, when I play in the Champions League in PES with any team that isn't officially in the Champions League in real life, that team gets the badges on their sleeves, so when I play Champions League matches with Man Utd they have the official Champions League badges on their sleeves, as the badges are assigned to the competition, not stuck on the teams kits by default.

    So if Konami can do it, EA can.. It has nothing to do with licenses, but laziness!

    At this point in time I have absolutely no interest in what new features Fifa 16 has unless they've addressed all these long, outstanding issues that have been reported on these forums recently, in great, detailed, well posted threads!

    Well that just proves it then, nothing to do with licenses.
  • RedDevil
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    Eddie wrote: »
    RedDevil wrote: »
    Let me just point this out, when I play in the Champions League in PES with any team that isn't officially in the Champions League in real life, that team gets the badges on their sleeves, so when I play Champions League matches with Man Utd they have the official Champions League badges on their sleeves, as the badges are assigned to the competition, not stuck on the teams kits by default.

    So if Konami can do it, EA can.. It has nothing to do with licenses, but laziness!

    At this point in time I have absolutely no interest in what new features Fifa 16 has unless they've addressed all these long, outstanding issues that have been reported on these forums recently, in great, detailed, well posted threads!

    Well that just proves it then, nothing to do with licenses.

    Exactly mate.

  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited May 2015
    European Competition Fonts
    League teams that use league font are using specific fonts in European Competition.
    (England, France, Scotland...)
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    Everton_EURO-2014-15-FNT.png
    Arsenal+UCL+CHampions+league+Puma+font+vector+2014+2015.jpg
    PSG_2014-15-UEFA-CL-FNT.png
    Post edited by comet213 on
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    Scudetto and Coccarda
    doppietta.jpg
    These are fixed with kit texture in FIFA Games.
    Fixed Scudetto and Coccarda are meaningless in Career mode.
    These must be moved to champions.

  • Great topic again man!
  • MikeM
    488 posts Sunday League Hero
    Good ideas, while we're on this subject isn't it about time the shirt names also had outlines too?
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    edited September 2015
    World Cup / Club World Cup Badge
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    These are fixed with kit texture in FIFA Games.
    Fixed badge is meaningless in Career mode.
    These must be moved to champions.
    Post edited by comet213 on
  • Good work Comet, hope EA are watching.
  • comet213
    2340 posts Fans' Favourite
    How many suggestion in this thread will be accepted to Devs?
    1? 2?
    Maybe 0...
  • RedDevil
    1558 posts Play-Off Hero
    edited June 2015
    comet213 wrote: »
    How many suggestion in this thread will be accepted to Devs?
    1? 2?
    Maybe 0...

    0

    Its pretty obvious they dont 'Listen to the community' and just do what they want with the game.

    Its about time we stop buying this crap.
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